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	<title>Comments on: An unrepentant Ron Fournier&#8217;s notebook on Hillary Clinton</title>
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		<title>By: Swopa</title>
		<link>http://needlenose.com/wp/2008/08/26/an-unrepentant-ron-fourniers-notebook-on-hillary-clinton/comment-page-1/#comment-986</link>
		<dc:creator>Swopa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CMike, as always, your grasp of nuance is shaky. ;)

Believe it or not, between &quot;bad press is ineffective against good framing&quot; and the reverse notion to which you seem to subscribe (i.e., framing is impotent in the face of a biased press) is an enormous middle ground.  

That the media creates a slanted playing field which affects the campaign is undeniable, and those who deplore it &amp; attempt to change the situation are doing the Lord&#039;s work. 

The media&#039;s self-imposed spin is not omnipotent, however, and well-framed campaign strategies CAN defeat it -- especially if, as in Obama&#039;s case, the campaign has the funding &amp; electoral savvy to get its message out independently.

You will find this same sentiment expressed in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.needlenose.com/wp/2008/07/14/paying-for-the-microphone/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post from mid-July&lt;/a&gt;, which you even commented on but apparently cannot remember. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CMike, as always, your grasp of nuance is shaky. <img src='http://needlenose.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Believe it or not, between &#8220;bad press is ineffective against good framing&#8221; and the reverse notion to which you seem to subscribe (i.e., framing is impotent in the face of a biased press) is an enormous middle ground.  </p>
<p>That the media creates a slanted playing field which affects the campaign is undeniable, and those who deplore it &#038; attempt to change the situation are doing the Lord&#8217;s work. </p>
<p>The media&#8217;s self-imposed spin is not omnipotent, however, and well-framed campaign strategies CAN defeat it &#8212; especially if, as in Obama&#8217;s case, the campaign has the funding &#038; electoral savvy to get its message out independently.</p>
<p>You will find this same sentiment expressed in <a href="http://www.needlenose.com/wp/2008/07/14/paying-for-the-microphone/" rel="nofollow">this post from mid-July</a>, which you even commented on but apparently cannot remember. <img src='http://needlenose.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kilgore Trout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kilgore Trout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AP - Newswire ( for immediate release) Aug. 27, 2008

McSame launches tirade against Obama on health care, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,  and  the economy. In a blistering press conference John McSame soundly responded to challenging questions from a brain-dead press corps.

Question: Mr. McSame, How would you deal with the health care wreckage in the U.S.?

McSame: I was a P.O.W. and I had health care from the Viet Cong. All returning soldiers who fight in our wars deserve health care provided by the greatest health care system in the world.

Question: How would deal with problems of Iraq and Afghanistan wars?

McSame: I was a P.O.W. and fought in a war, or, rather, I fought in a war and then become a P.O.W. I  know war.   

Question: How would you deal with increasing the number of jobs in the U.S.?

McSame:  I was a P.O.W. and fought in a war before becoming a P.O.W.  We need more wars so our children can lead productive lives in our resilient economy. There&#039;s nothing like a war to jump start the manufacturing sector in the production of bullets, guns, planes, tanks,  assorted weaponry,  and transportation vehicles that will have to replaced once they are blown to smithereens in our wars.  

Thank you for this opportunity to express my patriotism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AP &#8211; Newswire ( for immediate release) Aug. 27, 2008</p>
<p>McSame launches tirade against Obama on health care, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,  and  the economy. In a blistering press conference John McSame soundly responded to challenging questions from a brain-dead press corps.</p>
<p>Question: Mr. McSame, How would you deal with the health care wreckage in the U.S.?</p>
<p>McSame: I was a P.O.W. and I had health care from the Viet Cong. All returning soldiers who fight in our wars deserve health care provided by the greatest health care system in the world.</p>
<p>Question: How would deal with problems of Iraq and Afghanistan wars?</p>
<p>McSame: I was a P.O.W. and fought in a war, or, rather, I fought in a war and then become a P.O.W. I  know war.   </p>
<p>Question: How would you deal with increasing the number of jobs in the U.S.?</p>
<p>McSame:  I was a P.O.W. and fought in a war before becoming a P.O.W.  We need more wars so our children can lead productive lives in our resilient economy. There&#8217;s nothing like a war to jump start the manufacturing sector in the production of bullets, guns, planes, tanks,  assorted weaponry,  and transportation vehicles that will have to replaced once they are blown to smithereens in our wars.  </p>
<p>Thank you for this opportunity to express my patriotism.</p>
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		<title>By: CMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>CMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swopa,

I thought your position was only whiners complain about media coverage; that bad press is ineffective against good framing. Don&#039;t we have to conclude that last February Sen. Obama was framing things brilliantly but now he&#039;s not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swopa,</p>
<p>I thought your position was only whiners complain about media coverage; that bad press is ineffective against good framing. Don&#8217;t we have to conclude that last February Sen. Obama was framing things brilliantly but now he&#8217;s not?</p>
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		<title>By: riffle</title>
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		<dc:creator>riffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AP can do incalculable service to John McCain -- and damage to Obama and Dems --before the election and it&#039;s apparent they intend to.

Probably one of the reasons McCain liked Fournier so much is that he has a history of writing Republican lies as news.  Witness Fournier&#039;s history with Al Gore and the &quot;invented the internet&quot; lie.

http://www.cjr.org/politics/fourniers_amnesia.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AP can do incalculable service to John McCain &#8212; and damage to Obama and Dems &#8211;before the election and it&#8217;s apparent they intend to.</p>
<p>Probably one of the reasons McCain liked Fournier so much is that he has a history of writing Republican lies as news.  Witness Fournier&#8217;s history with Al Gore and the &#8220;invented the internet&#8221; lie.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cjr.org/politics/fourniers_amnesia.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.cjr.org/politics/fourniers_amnesia.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: trog69</title>
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		<dc:creator>trog69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AP seems to like the attention, regardless of facts. They know that too many media outlets depend on AP for desperately needed filler to stand against them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AP seems to like the attention, regardless of facts. They know that too many media outlets depend on AP for desperately needed filler to stand against them.</p>
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		<title>By: Multi Medium &#187; Wanker Of The Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Multi Medium &#187; Wanker Of The Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ron Fournier. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SteveAudio</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveAudio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fournier&#039;s hackery can&#039;t stand the light of day.  Like a vampire, he&#039;ll crumble to dust.

Or something.  Regardless, he&#039;s a douche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fournier&#8217;s hackery can&#8217;t stand the light of day.  Like a vampire, he&#8217;ll crumble to dust.</p>
<p>Or something.  Regardless, he&#8217;s a douche.</p>
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