Comments on: The turning point the Clinton campaign post-mortems miss http://needlenose.com/wp/2008/06/08/the-turning-point-the-clinton-campaign-post-mortems-miss/ We Needle. You Decide. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:37:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: rilkefan http://needlenose.com/wp/2008/06/08/the-turning-point-the-clinton-campaign-post-mortems-miss/comment-page-1/#comment-167 rilkefan Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:36:40 +0000 http://www.needlenose.com/wp/?p=67#comment-167 ps the current formatting of this blog on Firefox/linux is intolerable - all-centered, tiny default font, comment box is tiny... ps the current formatting of this blog on Firefox/linux is intolerable – all-centered, tiny default font, comment box is tiny…

]]> By: rilkefan http://needlenose.com/wp/2008/06/08/the-turning-point-the-clinton-campaign-post-mortems-miss/comment-page-1/#comment-166 rilkefan Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:35:04 +0000 http://www.needlenose.com/wp/?p=67#comment-166 "Had Hillary really understood what voters were looking for, and why her experience was a perceived advantage, she could have pointed out that there was nothing ambiguous or vague about what she went through in the 1990s… or about the fact that she came out standing up and ready to re-enter the fray. If she could survive that, voters could count on her to keep fighting for them no matter what Republicans through at her in the fall and beyond." I'm pretty sure I heard lots of that - maybe not in the timeframe you're referring to? Or maybe it just didn't get traction in the media environment? Also, to discuss this topic without any mention of the very negative stuff from Obama's campaign, in particular relating to the AA voting bloc, is bizarre. “Had Hillary really understood what voters were looking for, and why her experience was a perceived advantage, she could have pointed out that there was nothing ambiguous or vague about what she went through in the 1990s… or about the fact that she came out standing up and ready to re-enter the fray. If she could survive that, voters could count on her to keep fighting for them no matter what Republicans through at her in the fall and beyond.”

I’m pretty sure I heard lots of that – maybe not in the timeframe you’re referring to? Or maybe it just didn’t get traction in the media environment?

Also, to discuss this topic without any mention of the very negative stuff from Obama’s campaign, in particular relating to the AA voting bloc, is bizarre.

]]> By: dsa http://needlenose.com/wp/2008/06/08/the-turning-point-the-clinton-campaign-post-mortems-miss/comment-page-1/#comment-152 dsa Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:01:42 +0000 http://www.needlenose.com/wp/?p=67#comment-152 I had not seen just how vigorous was Edwards' approach to Hillary. Moreover, Edwards' presentation of Hillary's problem of consistency involved extremely important policy issues such as Social Security, which - thanks to Russert - were lost in the mud of the failed Spitzer driver's license that he pounded for a gotcha, to the exclusion of these other more profound inconsistencies. I actually felt bad for Hillary on the NY state DL ; immigration issue; it seemed she was trying to present a nuanced approach to a tough question by supporting a "laboratory" of varying approaches by various states and by pointing out that those varying approaches only became necessary because Congress was spineless. By contrast, her failure of consistency on issues such as Soc Sec was mindblowingly and obviously problematic. I had not seen just how vigorous was Edwards’ approach to Hillary. Moreover, Edwards’ presentation of Hillary’s problem of consistency involved extremely important policy issues such as Social Security, which – thanks to Russert – were lost in the mud of the failed Spitzer driver’s license that he pounded for a gotcha, to the exclusion of these other more profound inconsistencies.

I actually felt bad for Hillary on the NY state DL ; immigration issue; it seemed she was trying to present a nuanced approach to a tough question by supporting a “laboratory” of varying approaches by various states and by pointing out that those varying approaches only became necessary because Congress was spineless.

By contrast, her failure of consistency on issues such as Soc Sec was mindblowingly and obviously problematic.

]]> By: jim p http://needlenose.com/wp/2008/06/08/the-turning-point-the-clinton-campaign-post-mortems-miss/comment-page-1/#comment-146 jim p Mon, 09 Jun 2008 05:33:54 +0000 http://www.needlenose.com/wp/?p=67#comment-146 Sense at last. The first reality-based analysis I've seen. It was this riding on her refusal to publicly recognize her Iraq War Vote as a blunder, and all the bull that she didn't know that Bush would take it as a go-ahead that turned off many many people. Good brainwork and memory retention there Swopa! Sense at last. The first reality-based analysis I’ve seen.

It was this riding on her refusal to publicly recognize her Iraq War Vote as a blunder, and all the bull that she didn’t know that Bush would take it as a go-ahead that turned off many many people.

Good brainwork and memory retention there Swopa!

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